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Wilton State Legislators: We Support Banning High Capacity Ammo [UPDATED]

Toni Boucher and Gail Lavielle meet with Wilton constituents mobilizing to urge Hartford to produce “sensible, reasonable gun legislation” in the next legislative session.

Updated Friday, Jan. 11 at 2:28 pm

Since the meeting, Sen. Boucher's office has reached out to Patch to clarify her remarks. In an email, her press representative said, "Sen. Boucher supports banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines. She supports the second amendment. She does not want to ban semi-automatic handguns."

Original Story:

The day before Newtown’s Sandy Hook students returned to school for the first time since the horrific shootings that claimed 20 of their fellow classmates and six teachers, state legislators from Wilton met with constituents to talk about how changes to Connecticut laws might help prevent future acts of gun violence.

Wilton resident Jeanine Andreassi invited Wilton’s State Senator Toni Boucher and State Representative Gail Lavielle to her home to meet with two dozen people from Wilton and Ridgefield to discuss their views on gun laws. Andreassi said that what happened in Newtown struck a chord for everyone there, enough to prompt them to organize and act.

“What’s shocking to me is the strong association between gun laws and violence in societies, with the U.S. having the highest homicide rate in any developed country—and the most lax laws. We’ve learned from other countries that strings of violent acts continue, until these laws are passed. A lot of us felt it was time to speak up and we’re here to say this is important,” she said.

Both legislators said they were eager not only to listen to their constituents but also to convey their own support for efforts to restrict and reduce gun violence in the coming legislative session in Hartford, starting next week on Jan. 9.

In fact, both Lavielle and Boucher said they would “absolutely” support background checks for the sale of every gun, and also would support legislation banning the sale of high capacity ammunition magazines.

Boucher told the group, “We have to do as much as we can to tighten up the laws so at least we set a standard. At least we limit the damage going forward. And it’s the right thing to do.”

In addition, Boucher said she supports the idea of legally banning automatic and semi-automatic weapons, adding that she doesn’t believe current owners of such guns should be ‘grandfathered’ or protected from new laws crafted by the state.

“I would like for anyone that has one of these weapons to have to give them up. We should not grandfather—there are too many of these weapons out there. I think that in any of the legislation we look at, I would not support any grandfathering.”

Grassroots efforts

Many of the residents at the meeting Wednesday were part of the Wilton chapter of Connecticut Against Gun Violence (CAGV). Harrison DeStefano and Lucy Davies are heading the chapter and are working with a wider coalition of people around the state.

“We wanted to organize Wilton’s grassroots efforts to try to do something. We formed a Facebook page and attracted about 300 people in two days. Our goal is not to ban guns. Our goal is to try to incorporate all view points, form a rational, responsible discussion around gun violence in our culture—not just gun laws, but mental health, parenting and what we expose our children to. But the core in our mind is that guns are too available today. Now we’re focusing on the ways to make change,” DeStefano said.

The group is directing its attention toward Hartford, especially at the start of the 2013 legislative season, “to show the lawmakers in Hartford that we are concerned and we want something to be done. We don’t this to be swept under the rug. We want change, and we want substantial change,” he added.

DeStefano and Davies are part of the larger effort working to organize a march in Hartford scheduled for February 14, the two month anniversary of the Newtown shooting. That group is calling itself “March for Change,” and grew out of a meeting that was held in Westport the Monday immediately following the Newtown incident.

“The eyes of the country are on Connecticut.”

All the attendees at Wednesday’s gathering felt strongly that what happened in Newtown made it imperative to push for concrete change at a legislative level.

“The eyes of the country are on Connecticut,” said Wilton resident Carrie Brady. “If we can’t get it done here, no one is going to be able to get it done. If what happened just a few miles away from here doesn’t motivate us to fix it, then it’s all going to go in a month or two. We have a responsibility for our own state, but also recognizing the responsibility we have for the nation, it should make us all more comfortable in stepping out there and saying, ‘We need to get this done.’”

Much of the discussion centered on pushing for ‘sensible legislation’ as opposed to unilaterally trying to outlaw all firearms. The organizers pointed out that Connecticut is one of seven states that already has a ban on assault weapons, but the only one of those seven that doesn’t have a high capacity magazine ban.

"In my view there is no reason for any civilian to have an automatic weapon that can fire so many [rounds]. It’s not just making sure only the ‘right’ people can get them; I don’t think any civilian should be able to shoot bullets so quickly and efficiently. I think if you’re not a police officer, or a member of the military, I don’t think you should have a killing machine,” said Wilton resident Megan Labant Abrahamsen.

DeStefano agreed. “I’ve talked to a lot of people on the ‘other side’ who agree—there’s no reason for anyone other than the police or even the military to have these weapons. They’re assault weapons. They’re offensive weapons. There’s no argument for having them for self-defense.”

Kathleen Warner took a look at the numbers to make her argument, reading aloud from a letter she’d written to legislators:

“We have a number of things that are dear to us—including the Constitution—but the safety of our children is also very important to us. We, like many Americans, were devastated by the massacre in Newtown. While nothing can bring back those 20 children or any other lives lost to gun violence, we can do something now to reduce and prevent future tragedies. Between December 14 and December 30, there have been over 250 gun-related deaths in the U.S.; at least six of those were children.”

She asked Boucher and Lavielle to pass “reasonable, common-sense gun safety legislation,” when they returned to Hartford: “Legislation that, at minimum, requires a criminal background check for every gun sold; ban assault and military-type weapons and high capacity magazines; and make gun trafficking a federal crime with real penalties for purchasers. In addition, we ask you to support legislation that requires a waiting period for every gun sold, requires insurance to be maintained for guns, raises the purchase age to 25, and provides for a state-financed buy-back program and provides better support and treatment programs for those with mental illnesses.”

Hartford poised to act once legislators open the 2013 session

Both Lavielle and Boucher believe they’ll see action in Hartford once they return to the capitol for the new legislative season. Given the intense amount of media coverage the Newtown shootings received, legislators will likely be looking to capitalize on the attention focused on the state.

“This won’t be done at the late night session or rushed through. I predict this will be a very deliberative process—it will be one that they’ll all want to do press conferences and get their publicity around it,” Boucher said.

Even with bills rumored to be in the pipeline, neither of Wilton’s state reps have had access to specific legislation, nor will they see anything for at least a week, until the General Assembly reconvenes. They explained that legislators working on the public safety and judiciary committees will lead the charge on introducing new legislation, and while neither Boucher nor Lavielle serve on those committees, they each do work on the education committees and will likely be focused on school safety issues.

“School construction standards may now take a whole different approach. Should we be requiring school building codes for new construction or improvements? Should there be a new process of how we protect in the schools with the drills they do or with the teachers? Should there be uniformed types of security measures in all of our schools?” Boucher explained.

However, neither legislator could commit support for any specific, proposed bills until they’re able to carefully review them once the general assembly opens its 2013 session.

Until then, Boucher and Lavielle urged the group to continue their pressure and keep their efforts organized—they suggested attending public hearings in Hartford, as well as contacting committee chairs and legislators by phone, mail or email with their opinions.

“You can’t lose steam. Your presence in Hartford, locally, and the fact that you’re organized is very powerful and effective. This is much deeper, this is a national outrage,” Boucher told the group. 

Michael Duff January 11, 2013 at 06:37 PM
I suspect that the Sen.Toni Boucher statement was misstated. I also believe when the Newtown police investigation records are opened, we will find that an assault rifle was not used but that a stolen rifle was found in the trunk of the shooters car. Also we will learn that the classroom doors which were to be part of the lockdown procedure were inadequate as are most of the classroom doors in every school in CT. The lockdown procedure may have a chance of working but not if the equipment to support the procedure are cosmetic or untested. It might be a good idea to learn from the 911 airline experience as to locked doors and armed personal.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 11, 2013 at 06:48 PM
Michael: If the doors are tough enough and the locks strong enough, they should be able to at least delay a shooter for some time. My kids' school doors are solid wood, the hinges solid brass and the deadbolt is commercial grade. Short of metal doors, that will have to do. Not reassuring is someone had a 12gauge and knows something about breaching doors. Lockdown procedures are a feel good measure that may have some efficacy once the external perimeter of the school building is breached. It can help and delay but it is defensive only. It is a bit like magnetometers (metal detectors) that are installed in some schools to prevent guns from entering. If someone was really dedicated to sneaking a firearm into a metal detector equipped building, they can go to the facility late at night, toss the gun wrapped in a black plastic shopping bag over the fence or store it near the garbage loading dock, then then retrieve it once they are inside the facility. If there is a will there is a way.
James Adnaraf January 12, 2013 at 02:36 AM
if I lived in Wilton, it is likely I would own a gun. Some of those houses are so isolated, and on so much land, the Police would take quite a long time to get there. What type of gun I would own might depend upon the law, but Wilton is precisely the type of isolated area, in the woods in many cases, in which a firearm for defensive purposes makes all the sense in the world.
Jlo January 12, 2013 at 04:38 AM
James- Ton's of people in Wilton own guns whether or not these anti gunners realize it. When I got my concealed carry permit the officer fingerprinting me told me that they processed 4-5 concealed carry pistol applications a week. So thats just for handguns, the rifle and shotgun owners are basically untraceable.
James Adnaraf January 12, 2013 at 01:26 PM
Not surprising that so many people in Wilton tend to own guns, for reasons I have have discussed.
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:32 PM
This commentary may have ended but I feel this to be an important angle for this debate that is not being given adequate consideration in the press and in general and I am placing it everywhere I can. Because of earlier commentaries regarding mental illness, aspergers, autism, sanity, etc., I find I must address them to give a better understanding of these and show how these are connected to that I also declare that drugging is the WEAKEST LINK of this ARMS DEBATE and that the focus must shift… We are molded by trusted authority as well as ignorance…. A distinction must be made concerning “mental” illness. There are those behaviors considered immoral that we name insane or even evil, and then there are those behaviors considered out of the average in function and also others out of the average in resulting consequences, and these two may be overlapping or not. I am not talking here of behaviors we label as being out of bounds with our rules of accepted behavior – these may be just a personality difference as that of audaciousness or adventuresomeness. In addition, now we are presented with behaviors CAUSED BY pharmaceuticals (medicine/drugs). (I will try to condense this large subject for my purpose without losing meaning.) cont...
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:33 PM
Most of us assume that behaviors all stem from the execution of mental thoughts, of only Will, but the reality is that behavior also has its influence from our biology. You would not grimace or curse from pain if it were not so; another example… even the most benevolent of us may feel violent when tickled. Those are chemical reactions in our neurological system. Our 5 senses interpret our world, our environment, the incoming information via our neurological system, and thusly the output of that not only expressed through the form of communication or reaction via our bodies and senses, but also through biological chemistries and reactions involving our organs and senses – and thusly all sorts of resulting behavior. If these 5 senses or neurological system, or any biological system, are impaired in any way – ways we are familiar with or ways we are not – our neurological behavior WILL be affected. cont..
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:34 PM
An example would be: If anyone has experienced a severe allergic reaction that causes sensations of a thousand insects biting you (I have - fortunately I also had obvious hives), and how this experience not only causes one to itch and scratch desperately and exasperatingly, but practically disables one from normal function physically AND mentally to the point of appearing widely insane (you can imagine that a little if you ever had a severe itch you could not scratch – times a thousand)– then one may come to understand and appreciate how a neurological dysfunction may cause a person, an infant, a toddler, a child, a teen, an adult.. to display and react in behaviors that cannot be understood by the observer, as the causes are not immediately logical or apparent or even imaginable. Imagine if you never had experienced itching – would you, as observer, understand it? Irritability, impatience, insomnia, anger, compulsions, ticks, disability, pain, accidents, depression, electric sensations (yes, the body is electro-magnetic), dementia, muscle spasms, learning challenges, social challenges, dyslexia, diarrhea, obsessions, hallucinations, incontinence, frustration, weird sensations, tantrums, crying, even violence and others…may be the result of such neurological dysfunctions. Some are known and accepted reactions, while many others perplex us. Cont....
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:37 PM
Now given that example…how many other sensations or experiences due to neurological dysfunction, or due to other biological processes going awry, may the body be capable of that may not be deemed rational to the naked eye or current medical understanding? …expressed either via our body or via the mind? This is such the case with autism, aspergers, ADD/HD, bi-polar, even depression, etc. Science does not know the answer to this. Current medical understanding has no answer for the experience of itching. But science doesn’t always have to know, because it does not know it all – that’s why it is science, the investigation into the unknown. Another example... bi-polar is a psychiatric label – no biological testing is available – it is labeled via an agreed upon theory as most ALL other psychiatric labels…and there are countless misdiagnoses on account of this. Could this be why doctors refer to their decisions as “opinions”? (Have you ever given thought to that?) cont....
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:38 PM
So let’s imagine that, bi-polar is a reaction due to either a particular unknown nutrient or combination of nutrients being deficient, or a dysfunction of the intestinal system responsible for transforming chemicals in the assimilation process which has direct pathways to the brain, or other unknown biological or DNA dysfunction…would it not then be insane itself to brand bi-polar as what we consider to be a “mental” illness…much like “retardation” was often branded as insanity in our psychiatric history? Would you agree branding itching as a mental illness, as rational? (ha surprisingly they do just that even now, but let’s continue…) So you see, the truth is we really don’t know if the root cause of bi-polar, ADD/HD, etc., may be biologic in nature, as in a dysfunction of a process or organ versus created by the “mind.” (There has been much evidence in Orthomolecular medicine that they are biologic in nature, as people were becoming “normal” with its therapy, and still do – but Big Pharma doesn’t like that.) And so we should not be assuming these teens (or anyone) are insane to begin with. cont...
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:41 PM
The dysfunctions that are epidemically appearing to look like “mental” illness as we know that term are now inconsistent with and disproportionate to rationality. It is not rational that so many children and teenagers are popping up with mental dysfunctions that line the full spectrum of psychiatry, and, moreover, are consistently increasing. As the example of the teacher suggesting drugs for hyperactivity to the parents of a child who really was average but just energetic, the converse is that there are in fact massive numbers of children manifesting with “behavioral” issues that parents are reporting to their pediatricians long before they are attending school – a medical institution obviously unaware, unprepared, and uninformed as to what to do about it all...and especially unwilling to a true biological investigation. And the symptoms are far more pervasive than only not sustaining attention or being hyperactive – only us mothers observe the full extent of those symptoms, when and how they manifest, that cause all kinds of havoc, and consume all our time and patience, affecting all family members and in particular siblings, as unintentional as the behaviors may be. As our children grow, we see these becoming a little less obvious because the human adapts and compensates to survive and function, but ask any of them and you’ll find that there is an internal conflict being controlled (I’m not suggesting violence). cont...
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:43 PM
But our voices are not fully heard – not with 2 minutes worth of consultation time in a doctor’s office, and most of our symptom complaints waived and not recorded in medical files. The immediate reaction from our institution of medicine is then to resolve the problem via a drug to stop this. A short cut. Drugs that then create the same symptoms and new ones, or create others, or degenerate something else, often the brain itself. This is not what we mothers want – it has been the “solution” we have been given by the authorities of medicine, or made to believe, and now often forced upon us through the educational system and supported by medicine, if not we are branded as abusers or neglectful of our children. So now comes in a faux-mental illness created by a drug…a prescribed pharmaceutical, to complicate matters already complicated. I believe this is the WEAKEST LINK in this ARMS/SCHOOL SHOOTINGS DEBATE. While the facts remain that there is something going on with our children, and pediatricians have had the first reports over schools, as related to school and teen shootings…the FOCUS should NOT be mental illness…should NOT be arms. THOSE PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS, CREATING THE VERY SYMPTOMS IT WANTS TO VANISH AND APPEARING PRESCRIBED TO MOST SCHOOL and TEEN SHOOTERS, must be eliminated (at the very least for children and teens). That should be the FOCUS. cont....
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:46 PM
A prediction of whom may react adversely to these does not exist – therefore a crime to even accept as a prescribed medication. The FOCUS of this school event(s) IS BEING DEVIATED to a debate on arms. But don’t let mental illness become another terrorist tactic either. Mental illness is defined theoretically, not biologically. The theories can be made to apply to anyone not conforming to expected behavior. We don’t want to be disarmed AND be controlled via psychiatric drugs either. QUESTION… QUESTION…. QUESTION…THE DRUGS – THE WEAKEST LINK IN THIS DEBATE. Prescription Drugs are CAUSING mental illness – it is science, it’s in the package inserts, and it is in their clinical trials….and unfortunately in the news – or, rather… not. So get it in the news (drugs causing mental illness).
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:48 PM
Foreign substances and the exaggerated amount of vaccines need to be investigated as to their role in this epidemic. A demand for the search for natural means – which HAVE EXISTED and EXIST and from which medicine has MOVED AWAY from in this so-called “leading-edge” age beginning in the 1900’s – must be undertaken, or rather resumed if we are ever to see this epidemic subside. Botanicals (and more below) exist that effect a positive change WITHOUT side-effects for illnesses manifesting in depression, anxiety, anger – but these must be administered by natural professionals themselves, conventional medicine is not trained in these, therefore they may have no opinion over these.
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:50 PM
For the benefit of those who mentioned autism and those interested in existing modalities with great successes (also for depression, bi-polar, etc.), beside conventional medicine, see these and pass it on: Natasha Campbell McBride (GAPS Diet), UK neurosurgeon, reversing aspergers, autism (she reversed her own son’s), dyslexia, learning disorders, bi-polar, dementia, even schizophrenia; Orthomolecular Medicine (more respected in Europe) reversing those also through mostly nutrients, many based on laboratory testing not usually used in medicine but scientific anyway; philosophy is that the body can heal itself with the right help; The Davis Center, Dorinne Davis, Audiologist/Sound Therapist, NJ, also reversing or bettering some of these through sound therapy , even phobias– she is the only one in the world who incorporates ALL existing sound therapies into her own pioneering system; look up HANDLE (the most inexpensive)– uses unique physical therapy exercises, many surprisingly simple yet extremely effective, re-training the brain; Chiropractic Neurologist (exactly as written) – have reversed some neurological conditions, including autism, ADD/HD, learning disorders. cont...
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Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:55 PM
look for Osteopath – based on neurology, similar to Chiropractic, but more intense and including tendons and muscles and skull (one of my children became more focused and able to understand reading and write drastically better in 3 sessions) BUT you must interview them and ask if they practice and specialize in the ORIGINAL WAY (Osteopathic Manipulative Therapy), for in an attempt to mainstream the art into conventional medicine, they were duped and now they are taught to only function as MD/family doctors (with a specialization, but they do not advertize this, and some have abandoned the manipulation for it takes too much time/no money). cont..
Mary January 12, 2013 at 03:55 PM
My eldest’s autism-spectrum was reversed with Chiropractic Applied Kinesiology (with a very special and gifted chiropractor) and my daily spinal massages with peanut oil (from 5 to age 15), and castor oil packs to the abdomen with heat (cathartic, dissolves adhesions, tumors – the abdomen contains the “abdominal brain” with direct passage to the brain called the “blood-brain barrier.” Scientific studies show castor oil externally applied to create and increase lymphocytes in the immune system and the various immune organs – good for all illnesses). The happiest moment was seeing my child looking at me straight in the eyes – only three months into therapy after 5 ½ years of no eye contact, and being able to hug her without being pushed away or seeing her flinch in irritation (one of those neurological invisible "itches" causing reflex in behavior). Hope this helps anyone!
COSMO P January 12, 2013 at 04:04 PM
Mary your post is fine and dandy but these anti gun zealots don't care. THEY THRIVE ON GUN CONTROL. So anything to do with health is a non issue with them. Once they get the guns away from the good guys then what. Personally i think you are wasting you time posting about this as it stands right now a patients medical records are PRIVATE. In the VT shooting the shooter was being seen by a doctor and that fact was not disclosed to the NICKS data base. I was not changed after that shooting and wont change in the future. So whats next for the anti gun grabbers will most likely be barbecue PROPANE BOTTLES!!
COSMO P January 12, 2013 at 04:11 PM
Personally i hope that the liberal progressive commies push hard and come next election these Flaming liberals will be voted out. Just like the last time they messed with our rights to own guns. This country is beyond fixing at this point. I just hope that these liberals some day need to protect themselves and they are denied under the rules they so desperately want. There are app 20 Thousand gun laws on the books that did nothing. So add a few more to the mix. The bad guys don't give a dam.
Cliff Cuming January 12, 2013 at 04:27 PM
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to buy cars.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 12, 2013 at 04:50 PM
Mary & Cosmo - it is not that they don't care, it is that they are complicit in this. The folks who believe removing all gun are the answer see us all as potential victims at some point in our lives. Victim-hood and victimization go hand-kin-hand with those who want all the power in the hands of the authorities and the people as docile subjects. So, you have to remove guns from citizens hands because an authority can not dominate those who have the ability to fight back. As for kids who have issues, whatever the cause, best that the authority drug them into submission using the rationale that it is better for the child and better for the community. In another time, such sub-normal folks were subjected to incarceration in a "mental facility" ala Willowbrook. Today, with mental facilities all but dismantled (and rightly so since they were barbaric), we drug the kids thereby imprisoning them in their own minds. The forces that support civilian disarmament are also the ones who promote the pharmaceutical approach to our problems. They are the same ones who have waged a quiet but deadly "war on boys" through our schools. They are the same ones who believe that a big government is a good government.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 12, 2013 at 04:58 PM
Adam - I like the driving analogy but I have a different one. Statistics show that many vehicle accidents involve high rates of speed, certainly far higher then the posted speed limits. We use speed limits as a guideline for safe travel but we can only enforce them with police interdicting speeders when they are speeding. We can not prevent a proven speeder from getting into a car nor driving as fast as he wants. Repeat offenders can have their license revoked but how many who cause accidents do so without a valid license? Several decades ago, the "Speed Kills" campaign started and an effort was made in DC to reduce highway speed limits across the country to 55MPH. But, since speed limits are a state issue, the Feds had no choice other than blackmail to get their way. So they effectively told states they DC would hold back federal highway funds from any state that did not implement a 55 speed limit on most of their highways. Did that make things better, yes. However, there is no practical way of stopping someone committed to drive at dangerous speeds from doing so. We all see folks whipping past us all the time so this is a real issue. And the most horrific crashes usually involve speed, possibly aided by drugs or drink. A simple solution would be to mandate all cars are mechanically prevented from exceeding 70 or 80mph. Truck rental companies do it all the time. But we don't - why? Because that would infringe on too large a population.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 12, 2013 at 05:13 PM
It would be argued that we should not punish the many for the infrequent acts of a few law breakers. Yet, how many Americans die each year in highway accidents, with the majority involving high rates of speed? How many of those are innocent people not speeding? I don't have the data but I would bet that a single year's highway deaths exceeds all those who have been killed in mass gun murders (excluding wars) since the 1980s. Yet we don't demand speed limiters in all vehicles. Gun control is similar where the law-abiding owner is equivalent to every driver who observes the limit (you know, drive 65-70 in a 55 zone). The driver who speeds regularly is the illegal gun owner who is not caught until he has an interaction with law enforcements. And the crazed mass gun murderer is the speeder who intentionally drives drunk or very high and is the highest risk. The argument that "you don't need an assault weapon for self-defense/hunting/target shooting" would be akin to telling the owner of any car, stock or modified, that they don't need a car that could easily exceed 100mph. Fast cars exist for one reason, they can go fast. Yet, as a society, we do not put any restrictions on the manufacture, purchase or use of such fast vehicles. We gun owners feel that we are being singled out here for the ills of a very small group of very sick and disturbed individuals. We feel akin to all drivers who would object to cars limited to 70MPH to prevent the few from speeding.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 12, 2013 at 05:29 PM
Cosmo - Yes, politicians votes have consequences as the Dems learned in 1994. I have committed myself to help support and fund any politician who opposes any current politician who votes for increase gun control. I am an apolitical person and do not contribute to campaigns but that WILL CHANGE. I have already written Dargen telling him he is free to introduce his bill to disclose my name as a permittee. But I also told him that effort, successful or not, will have repercussions come his next election. I can vote in his district but I can give money to anyone he faces. I am blessed to have a good income and I can divert funds to contribute to getting gun-taking politicians out of office. I can easily hit my contribution limits on a number of local and state campaigns. While such amounts would have little impact at the national levels, more modest local campaigns would benefit highly from thousands of out-of-district funding. And I have many of well-healed gun owner friends who I will appeal to in this funding effort. So if the state legislators are listening, know that there is an entire cadre of stakeholders outside your districts who are watching your utterances, alliances and votes. This is not a threat, just an observation that there are folks watching and your decisions will have consequences at the polls.
Mary January 12, 2013 at 05:36 PM
Thanks for slapping me into reality. Guess there is no hope? Are we plunging into dark ages again?
Bill C January 12, 2013 at 07:02 PM
It is not that they are trying to make society safe. Most of these politicians are divided into two groups. The ones that are looking for an opportunity to jump on the bandwagon for votes and those that wish to exploit the tragedy. (Never let a good crisis go to waist.) They have been waiting for this opportunity. The public that wants these draconian measures are just as bad. They want us to all live as they say. Guns are not the problem. They have been around for a long time and semi automatic ons have been around over 100 years with out a problem. They closed all the hospitals to treat these people. Then there is the video games. Like the kid who got quiet and got into the book, they get into the game. The game becomes reality and reality the game.
Cliff Cuming January 12, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Of course there is hope. But only is we as a society focus on the root cause of evil and/or mental illness. Deflecting attention by blaming weapons will not get us anywhere. un sales are up simply because individuals do not want their freedoms impaired nor do they want to be outgunned by the true criminals/mentally impaired.
Cliff Cuming January 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM
http://www.sodahead.com/living/maryland-police-may-have-prevented-another-aurora-should-we-focus-on-the-killers-or-the-guns/question-2832835/?page=20&link=ibaf&q=&imgurl=http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/mollywog/sheepwithagun.jpg
Cliff Cuming January 12, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Fast cars the problem? Try this? http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2013/01/04/pay-attention-democrats-in-congress-more-people-in-us-murdered-each-year-with-hammers-clubs-than-with-rifles/

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